Friday, September 6, 2013

Roberts Rules Rule


Elaineb, as I can hear at the Delegates meeting the Golf Course monies was turned down, you can clearly hear Mr. Israel pronounce the results of the vote. The problem is that he is/was wrong.

Against a arbitrary determination of what is correct in Roberts Rules the fact is  that a simple majority rules. So the Vote for the Golf Course monies passed with a simple majority. It did not NOT pass as our knowledgeable President so decrees. So this matter is passed and should not come up again. Below is the operative rule.  Note the argument against the plus (+1) rule.

Question 4:
In determining the result of a vote, what constitutes a majority?
Answer:
The word "majority" in this context means, simply, more than half. The use of any other definition, such as 50 percent plus one, is apt to cause problems. Suppose in voting on a motion 17 votes are cast, 9 in favor and 8 opposed. Fifty percent of the votes cast is 8 1/2, so that 50 percent plus one would be 9 1/2. Under such an erroneous definition of a majority, one might say that the motion was not adopted because it did not receive 50 percent plus one of the votes cast, although it was, quite clearly, passed by a majority vote. [RONR (11th ed.), p. 400; see also p. 66 of RONRIB.]
For those of you that want more info on the rule of voting in absentia see below:
 
Do abstention votes count?
Answer:
The phrase "abstention votes" is an oxymoron, an abstention being a refusal to vote. To abstain means to refrain from voting, and, as a consequence , there can be no such thing as an "abstention vote."
In the usual situation, where either a majority vote or a two-thirds vote is required, abstentions have absolutely no effect on the outcome of the vote since what is required is either a majority or two thirds of the votes cast. On the other hand, if the vote required is a majority or two thirds of the members present , or a majority or two thirds of the entire membership , an abstention will have the same effect as a "no" vote. Even in such a case, however, an abstention is not a vote and is not counted as a vote. [RONR (1lth ed.), p. 400, 11. 7-12; p. 401, 11. 8-11; p. 403, 11. 13- 24; see also p. 66 of RONRIB.]



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